SGU - dialling discrepancies - SPOILER

[Deepsmeg]

I'm watching SGU now, and 2 points immediately spring to mind.

The second is easier to explain, so I shall do it first:
The DHD has 38 symbols. The gate has 39. Established fact.
The gates each have a unique point of origin symbol. Logically these symbols will NOT appear on other gates.
The symbol does NOT appear on other DHDs. The other Earth DHD has the circle and line symbol and not pyramid with sun. Established fact.
The gate would likely not have this symbol on it either.
The gate is being dialled by a computer, so sequences can be sent that are not on the DHD keypad.
Pyramid with sun could be on the system solely as a placeholder for Point of Origin. The software wasn't designed to be exported, thus does not need the customisation.
We do not see the dialled chevron, so this explanation could happily fit on

The first is something I've wondered about for a while.
If we take the 12 o'clock chevron to be at position I, the next one clockwise to be A, the one after to be B and so on, the gate when dialled will dial out as A, B, C, F, G, H, I
I cannot remember the behaviour shown in Fifth Race or Rising, but it is CLEARLY shown that Chevron 4 when locked is in position D.
The gate KNOWS IN ADVANCE how long the address is going to be.
I think that the 8 chevron dialling behaved in a similar way, in Fifth Race the "7th chevron... locked?!" was in position H.

This behaviour is illogical. The only way of knowing that an address is 8 long is when the 7th button is pressed and it is not point of origin.
This also raises the question that if an address is dialled and the 7th chevron is incorrect, how does the gate know to shut down there and not await further input?



TL;DR: The dialling is odd. We can't replicate it.

[Mix-Martes86]

I do not understand the 1st problem. I read it twice, but I don't get it.

The second problem, in Fifth Race it clearly followed the [A, B, C, F, G, H, D, I] order, that's how we have it stablished, I don't remember about Rising. I also expected it would follow the [A, B, C, F, G, H, D, E, I] order for 9 chevrons, but probably it's a thing you input into the DHD. With a normally untampered DHD, those are only prepared for 7 chevron dialing, and the power source is made only for "local" travel. That's why maybe the computer doesn't allow you to dial further. But if it gets enough input power, and the computer it's told so, it switches from a "7 mode" to an "8 mode" or even a "9 mode". Probably the "9 mode", due to it's characteristics, it engages all chevrons in a sequential order.

Cheers

[Tobi]

yeah thats really stupid. there are so many things that contradict each other. if you look in the stargate wiki there are so many disagreements.

[Deepsmeg]

I do not understand the 1st problem. I read it twice, but I don't get it.

The told the gate to dial a symbol that shouldn't have been on it

[Mix-Martes86]

The told the gate to dial a symbol that shouldn't have been on it

What? The Earth symbol? As far as I know, that's been in every gate for all these years. The thing was it wasn't used. But as far as I know, it's there, and in the DHD too.

Cheers

[Deepsmeg]

I think it's Solitudes where you get a nice view of another DHD, and it has a different symbol where the Earth symbol is. (Although this other symbol is also an Earth symbol)

It probably stayed on the gate model as it's easier to change a tile on a DHD than on the gate.

I think in Children of the Gods, Dr Jackson was trying to tell Jack that that position always represents the point of origin but he kept getting cut off. Think about it, why would the gate have on it 37 constellations, the point of origin for the planet it's on and the point of origin for Earth?

[Mix-Martes86]

Maybe to be able to dial the 9th chevron using Earth's symbol as part of the code.
Anyways, I think that the thing with the planet's point of origin was that it was always the symbol under the top chevron of the gate, supposedly making it easier for the traveller to know what the last glyph should be.

Remember in that S1 episode, I think it was "There for the Grace of God", that Jackson gets transported to an alternate reality, he figures how to assign symbols to the numbers in the transmission by just figuring that the symbol corresponding to the number 1 should be the gate's point of origin, which is depicted in off-world gates as being the glyph under the top chevron (7th chevron on local galaxy addresses).

Cheers

[Apollo]

I am no Quantum physics expert but I think there is something where electrons can predict what is going to happen before it happens for some reason. Or my maths teacher told us some story (involving electron guns) that gave the impression their is some form of precognition at the sub atomic level. Maybe thats what happens with the gates dialing?

Anyone else thing its strange btw that their are 9 chevrons on the original movies gate? But the computer was only set up for 7...

[bait]

I know this isnt really a discrepancy and this is a little old, but I just realized that if the SGU gate fell over for some reason how could it still work. It might be able to recieve connections but how could it dial out. It seems kind of stupid that the ancients would make the gate this way. We've seen the gate on its side several times over the years so its definitely possible.

[Deepsmeg]

It's an older model of gate.
The new gates don't do it.
They found a bug and fixed it!

[Mix-Martes86]

It's an older model of gate.
The new gates don't do it.
They found a bug and fixed it!

Industrious guys they were!